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27. 06. 2009, 16:48

légendaire cape de la vitesse

Légendaire Cape De La Vitesse (+3)FERMER



Armure
Défense: 2
Attributs: RÉPUTATION +7, AGILITÉ +4, RÉSISTANCE +7, 1 attaques supplémentaires pour chaque arme, chance d`un coup critique à l`arme à feu -46 %
Exigences: NIVEAU: 28 (29), FORCE: 22, AGILITÉ: 13, Le personnage doit être dans l`acte: 2
Prix de vente: 76 900 LOL
Valeur: Les Nanites 117, Le Mana 344


je me demande ce que ça peut valoir.
merci

2

27. 06. 2009, 18:47

enormement de pierre !!!

tu pourrais mettre la version en "bonne" stp

sa nous aiderais mieux a evaluer

3

27. 06. 2009, 19:07

Very nice item for absorber-sniper, but only for him. Other snipers will not be able to get enough %critical with that item if they upgrade it to bon+5 (where it gives +2 attacks).

Hard to evaluate item because we have zero sniper-absorbers on server I guess ^^ I'll say its worth ~1500 at the moment
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

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27. 06. 2009, 19:31

Légendaire Bonne Cape De La VitesseFERMER



Armure
Défense: 5
Attributs: RÉPUTATION +11, AGILITÉ +6, RÉSISTANCE +11, 1 attaques supplémentaires pour chaque arme, chance d`un coup critique à l`arme à feu -52 %
Exigences: NIVEAU: 44 (45), FORCE: 39 (40), AGILITÉ: 20, Le personnage doit être dans l`acte: 2
Prix de vente: 115 650 LOL
Valeur: Les Nanites 357, Le Mana 1004



pour info en bon+5 le malus de critique est de -62%


en tout cas merci pour vos réponse^^

5

27. 06. 2009, 23:12

2500 pds

si tu met en vente previens moi

6

28. 06. 2009, 01:50

+1

2500 pds aussi!!
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

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28. 06. 2009, 08:12

beau drop

oui 2 500-3000 pds
yen a qui sont pret a mettre le prix je pense
Joueur sur Moria.
Pseudo : jeremy31

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28. 06. 2009, 12:14

moi je dis 4000 PS, pour fighter du Vincent ou autre en Zerker ça déchire !

for vincent : I'll say its perfect item to fight high perception snipers (like you?) with a Zerker stuff, so I'll give evaluation at 4000 PS (for later, when people will start to play zerker seriously)
Name IG: Bathorix
ID MORIA: 285
Cultiste

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28. 06. 2009, 13:58

For berserker? What is the difference between legendary and non legendary cape de la vitesse? I will tell you - Force and Level requires. For berserker force requires doesnt matter, he will have to reach ~73 lvl (absorber can do it faster) to wear non-legendary cape (and before he reach 73 lvl he will have to wear elfe anyway to have %critical and agility, because he has only 5%cc in tatoo and he must wear XXX du suicide or de la vengeance, its pretty hard to find XXX meuritere or irradiate du suicide so he will have small critical in weapon). So -> berserker doesnt need this item.

And read my posts more carefully please when you want to quote me... I did not say "high perception snipers like me", I said " A B S O R B E R - S N I P E R S ". For me this item is worthless, I am not gonna buy it. I need double-suffixed armor, with %critical.

I have 84% critical with bonne legendary fusil de sniper +2. I can have +25% because of tatoo and +10% because of potion (if I will always buy the potion for 22,500). That means 114%. -62% from cape = 52% critical.

You know what that means ? Only Absorber could make good %critical with his act 2 arcana and potion. But we don't have snipers absorbers on server (if we have, they must buy 1000 other items before they can use this cape).

4000 - are you crazy ? You evaluate legendary antique de la vengeance for 5000 and now this worthless crap (the only difference between this and normal cape is 20% _requires_) for 4000 ?

T-shirt Flexible De La Vitesse (+5) 3 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 5 2009-06-27
17:54:53 Rapportez la vente à l`opérateur


Did you notice that ?? 100 times better item was sold for 2500.

This cape is worth 1500 MAX, evaluating it for 4000 is just a push, even if this guy is your friend you shouldnt do that.
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

Ce message a été modifié 3 fois, dernière modification par "Vincent02" (28.06.2009, 14:08)


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28. 06. 2009, 14:09

Vincent , encore une foi, je n'aimevraiment pas ta maniere de parler au gens.

Si bathorix pense que sa vaut 4000 pds il a bien le droit et n'est pas fou.

1)Cette cape vaut non légendaire déjat pret de 1500 pds (1150 environ) . Plusieur ne peuvent se permettre de la mettre haut niveau car les requis haut niveau sont trop haut pour cela.
2) un vitesse gagne a bon +5 une 2e attaque et il est vraiment impensable vu les requis davoir une Non légendaire a bon+5. Mais avec légendaire oui, ce qui fait plusieur tuerais pour avoir cette légendaire cape de la vitesse , simplement pour avoir la possibilité davoir une bonne +5 et 2 attaques supplémentaires.
3) il y a possibilité pour certain de faire lég cape semeur aussi qui pourais permettre a plusieur d'en poeter une haut niveau et ainsi etre beaucoup plus compétitif.

Alors personnellement j'ai dit 2500 pds ce qui est le double du prix dun non légendaire. Mais 4000 de bathorix est certainement tres pensable vu les possibilité de cette cape .

Si tu regarde les ancienne éval de nathorix il c'Est plus souvent qu'autrement a avoir raison sur ses éval , alors un peu de modestie svp mon ami.
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

Ce message a été modifié 2 fois, dernière modification par "Sinerva" (28.06.2009, 14:12)


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28. 06. 2009, 14:22

Ok, you still argue that this item is mega good for berserkers and snipers so I will list the reasons simple, one by one:

Why this item is not good for berserker:
1) We have no berserkers on server
2) Non - legendary cape is gonna require 80 lvl and 67 strength. With easiness for levels, you can wear it at 73 lvl I guess.
3) Before berserkers reach 73 they will wear cape elfe because of critical and agility. And by the way - berserkers uses 1 handed weapons mostly, so cape elfe du tueur is better than this vitesse.

Why this item is not good for sniper:
1) At simple +0 this item is the same as non-legendary cape
2) At bon+5 top snipers can't reach more than 45% critical chance with full tatoo (without potion)
3) We have no absorber snipers on server, and only they could have good %critical

Well, it cape looks nice but nobody really needs it. rangsha - the people who evaluate it for 2500+ are your friends, right? They do pretty good job, but what Bathorix said it was just too much, I had to comment it.
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

Ce message a été modifié 3 fois, dernière modification par "Vincent02" (28.06.2009, 14:30)


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28. 06. 2009, 14:38

lol so u give away a lég for about the same price that the non-lég at 1500 pds....sry no.

And when u see items like thta on the street u can just reskill u character and thta it. I will do it if a wanted lots of people will dot it , it is just a case of will he be sold or not (this item or an other one like the massue antique...). Lots of people just wait to reskill at the first big drop.

For me4000 pds imabye too much but like i said but history shown that lég and specialy first auction can go crazy. so even if i think 2500 pds is a fair good price for that,4000 pds is still very possible, bathorix behing a friend or not.
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

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28. 06. 2009, 14:46

U said: the people who evaluate it for 2500+ are your friends, right?

I dont know about that, i am just an evaluator and i see these perople since a long time now. It is to them to say. What i know is that i don't see a point on being rude and why we need to be all over people even if they are mystaken. We will all be mystaken sometimes !

So diplomatic help them not shut them off and work in a way that people learn and will continu to evaluate and thet the most important part, an item is as much precise as the number of evaluator evaluating and items will be so friendly talk always work better and encourage them, not discourage them to persevere and continu .Also this is a game so...

So what i know is that i look at the good part of their evaluation and try to find why et where i can be mystaken to become a better one myself. And i try to be modest cause i know that other people also have good point (even if i dont see it or they didnt put it at every auction) and that evaluation is not a precise mesaurement, but one that fluctuate a lot from time to time.
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

Ce message a été modifié 5 fois, dernière modification par "Sinerva" (28.06.2009, 15:03)


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28. 06. 2009, 15:02

Please, don't look for the name of item but for it's attributes.
Legendary armor gives the same things as non-legendary armor! Only requires are a little lower, but this item is _ worthless _.

Re-specialise after getting legendary cape de la vitesse? Lol. Re-specialise is good if you get something realy valuable, like legendary sniper or legendary meurtiere. I said its worth 1500 only because its legendary and somebody who can't play this game will se "OMG its legendary" and he will pay 3 ames, because berserkers doesnt need that, and there is no sniper-absorbers.

By the way, non-legendary cape de la vitesse is worth between 1 and 2 ames, so 1500 is not "the same value". This item looks nice but its not good for anyone, cape elfe is better for berserker and vitesse at +0 is better for sniper.
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

Ce message a été modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par "Vincent02" (28.06.2009, 15:10)


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28. 06. 2009, 15:08

Stat are the same req no. and that the key here!

I clearly said. an item like that, good items (i specify the massue antique too and did ...) SO that was an exemple.

So the higher is goes the better it become, add that the key. if u tahe the +5 from around lvl 85 (non leg) to about lvl 62-65 (lég) u got a dam good items there whit bonus +2 attck.
That certainly whort the try for some build.

And btw dont forget merging lég cape du semeur ould help a lots of people getting it to bon at least and give possibility to lots of aad to get the last tatoos. (cause 57 for absorbeur end 59 str for a lots of aad is too much )
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

Ce message a été modifié 4 fois, dernière modification par "Sinerva" (28.06.2009, 15:20)


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28. 06. 2009, 15:12

I don't want to encourage people who say that item is worth 3-4 times more than its real value. In my opinion they are just trying to push their friend and if Trade Moderator in game will say its push, they will show the topic and say "You see? People say this item is worth that much. By the way, they are my friends and if I asked them, they would say that white paper is black but does it matter?"


And as I said before, non - legendary requires 80 lvl so at 73 lvl you will be able to wear it (but nobody will do it, because you will have 40% critical if you are sniper or not small agility and small critical if you are berserker)
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

Ce message a été modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par "Vincent02" (28.06.2009, 15:14)


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28. 06. 2009, 15:14

Some have been under the 2 ame mark but rarely normaly ( bad selling hours) it is betwwen 1000-1150 pds (normaly bad selling hours)

Cape De La Vitesse (+3) 1 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 2 2009-06-06
Cape De La Vitesse (+4) 1 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 2009-05-25
Cape De La Vitesse (+5) 6 0 / 0 / 1 / 0 / 2 2009-04-28
Cape De La Vitesse (+3) 3 0 / 1 / 2 / 0 / 2 2009-04-22
Cape De La Vitesse (+3) 5 3 / 1 / 2 / 0 / 2 2009-04-19
Cape De La Vitesse (+5) 7 6 / 4 / 1 / 1 / 1 2009-04-10
Cape De La Vitesse (+4) 5 0 / 0 / 1 / 0 / 2 2009-03-25
Cape De La Vitesse (+3) 5 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 2 2009-02-14
Cape De La Vitesse (+3) 9 0 / 0 / 1 / 0 / 2
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

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28. 06. 2009, 15:22

At the moment we have 0 berserkers.
Non-absorber berserker will be able to wear non-legendary bonne cape de la vitesse+5 when he reach 73 lvl.
But he will obviously not do it, because cape elfe/ cape elfe du XXX is better for him.


So you think who would like to buy this item for more than normal vitesse value? The non-existing very rich berserker, who wants to check if its better than elfe or not (by the way - its not) will pay 4000 pds because he don't want to wait to 73 lvl for non-legendary vitesse?
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

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28. 06. 2009, 15:24

And btw

non - legendary requires 80 lvl so at 73 lvl you will be able to wear it

Ok and whit the leg it is 64 (80 x 0.8= 64) for a non absorbeur so that prety easy i will say. For an absorbeur lvl 60or 61 it will be possible.

So possible of reach for anyone and u dont have to wait 3 years!
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

Ce message a été modifié 3 fois, dernière modification par "Sinerva" (28.06.2009, 15:27)


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28. 06. 2009, 15:33

Yep exactly at (my price) 5 ame for that and giving a chance to add 2 more attack lol

That nothing i will even myself try it why not. The key for me is 2 attack whitout this possibility that would have been total crap for me too :thumbup:
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

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28. 06. 2009, 15:35

Find me berserker at 63 level who:
- meets tatoo requires
- have good %critical in weapon so he don't need it in armor (because of no critical in tatoo and vitesse)
- have enough agility and don't need cape elfe

I tell you again - cape de la vitesse might be good only for absorber-sniper or high-level-berserker. We don't have absorber-snipers and high level berserker can wear non-legendary vitesse. By the way- we don't have berserkers.
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

Ce message a été modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par "Vincent02" (28.06.2009, 15:38)


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28. 06. 2009, 15:39

I told u i know that we dont have one.

But these kind of items (this the massur antique...) will make people think about it and we can see one soon mabye! there ones berseker for now i know of lvl 59 (i wont say who) that is prety good i will say. So...
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

Ce message a été modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par "Sinerva" (28.06.2009, 15:40)


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28. 06. 2009, 15:57

And also.

That items can be so potientaly devastating in long run that some people will probably buy it ONLY to sleep well and dont get nightmare.

At 5 ame that nothing to get a good night sleep :sleeping: :P
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

Ce message a été modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par "Sinerva" (28.06.2009, 20:03)


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28. 06. 2009, 17:21

houla, je suis pas super fort en anglais donc je vais répondre en français,
Oui bathorix est un ami a moi , je voulais juste faire évaluer cette item. Pour rassurer tout le monde, je ne la mettrais pas au enchere, je vais tenter de la mettre en parfait +1.
Pas la peine de s'embrouiller, je voulais juste savoir plus ou moins si c'était bien ou non.

merci pour vos éval 1500 me semble bien mais comme je vous l'ai dis, j'attend d'avoir des pierres pour la mettre en parfait +1 quitte a ce quelle disparaisse.

Bon jeu à tous.

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28. 06. 2009, 17:28

Moi je dit environt 7800 pds

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28. 06. 2009, 19:56

waou c'etait un beau debat autour de cette cape
2500 pds tel quel
si elle est "upé" en bon(+5) , la 4000 mini
pour qu'elle fasse 7800 pds ... il manke un sufixe parse que 2 attaque en plus c'est bien mais que +7 en agilité ... faudrait quand meme pouvoir toucher l ennemi surtout si c'est un cac

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28. 06. 2009, 20:09

Ok you are right people, me and all cac 60++ lvls on other servers are wrong, they think bonne cape de la vitesse +5 is useless because it has no damage, no critical and small agility. You obviously can reach these missing things by for example mhmmm... helm d'assaut !!! And increase damage by short de'l athlete ! This cape is worth 4000 - 8000 pds as you say, now go play berserkers, tueurs and chevalier noirs with this cape. Gogogo!!! This cape is almost as powerful as legendary fusil de sniper and much more powerful than legendary massue antique de la vengeance because you say massue is worth 10 ames.

Omg what a beautiful drop! Other cac are so stupid, I know people who have 80++ level, they could wear bonne cape de la vitesse +5 even non-legendary and these idiots wear Elfe or other crap.

Sinerva - stop multi-posting, use "edit".
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

Ce message a été modifié 7 fois, dernière modification par "Vincent02" (28.06.2009, 20:24)


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28. 06. 2009, 20:25

MAn stay polite and stop bitching at people.

I also thing that 4000-8000 pds is too much but that not a reason to bitch.

SEcond, i will do whatever i want whit my post but if u think there to much i will lok at éditing more ok np !I am doing lots of typing mystake cause i am typing in english (for u btw) so i am changing a lots to not carry over too much of them.

I dont understand why u act like that like u are the one and only god here and i still dont like u tone. If u crying and saying we are all stupid mabye, mabye u are not at the good place here sry. I am trying to do my best by not criticizing u but there are limits.

I and we all understand u point but there are ways mabye MABYE to use this cape at bonne +5 and to be competitive and that this cape can be worth 2500pds or more and that all i and lots of people saying.
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

Ce message a été modifié 5 fois, dernière modification par "Sinerva" (28.06.2009, 20:36)


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28. 06. 2009, 20:43

"bitching at people"? I did not said anything bad in my last post.

And about your post - I said to stop write your posts one under another, when nobody wrote anything after you and you want to say something else, you should just edit your post and add something on the end of your post, I don't know why you have some problem with that and you attack me about it.

I don't act like god, but you think you can evaluate worthless items much higher than their real value. It is just cheating and it should be forbidden. You want example how you can use it?

Player called XXX finishes the game. His friend, called YYY found legendary cape de la vitesse. Its worth 1500 but it was never before on auction. YYY makes topic on forum, his friends evaluate cape for 8000. Then YYY sells the cape to XXX for 5000 for example. When Trade Moderator wants to ban YYY he says "look, I put that on evaluation and people says its worth 8000, the price was low!". After that, XXX finishes the game and YYY have 8 pdames more than he should.
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

Ce message a été modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par "Vincent02" (28.06.2009, 20:44)


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28. 06. 2009, 20:52

Sry,

Saying every body is crazy id not btiching ok sry my bad then. So let say instead say that your cynicism is way over the edge my friend. and impolite
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

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28. 06. 2009, 21:12

Maybe I am impolite, but I am not stupid. It is so obvious this evaluation is a cheat. Check Bathorix post - he says its worth 4000 because its perfect for high level berserkers for attacks against snipers. Its so crappy reason... Which berserker under 73 lvl is gonna pay 4000 for armor good only for _attacks_ against gunners? I say under 73 lvl because if the berserker is after 73 lvl, non-legendary cape is the same as legendary.

Evaluations for 4000 - 8000 is just a cheat. 2500 is bad evaluation, but I could uderstand - you don't know it, you have no experience and you try to evaluate. That is what I thought when I saw first evaluations for 2500. But when I see people from OS and Exile all evaluating item 3 - 4 times (now even 6 times) more than its real value, I start thinking - why? Why you evaluate marvelous weapon for berserker for 10 ames, and one day later you evaluate so low level berserker armor for 16 ames < L O L > ? Because the weapon was looted by "les titans" clan member, and cape is a friend's of yours? Who from OS finishes the game and wants to give 10-15 ames to improve his friends stones level?
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

Ce message a été modifié 4 fois, dernière modification par "Vincent02" (28.06.2009, 21:23)


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28. 06. 2009, 21:24

wow,

sry i am evaluating at the best of my knoledge and i dont look at people as cheater and other thing like thta surely that can happen and if u right that sad...
But what u want we can have control over this . AND STILL that not a reason to be impolite.... well not for me. Calling people cheater and all wow
And me cheater ?? wow now u are almost low man very low...
Lonely at the top, but the view is great.

Cordialement

Sinerva

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28. 06. 2009, 21:25

l'évaluation de vex c'est un grosse blague, c'était simplement ironique^^

Maintenant je ne pense pas que cet item doit entrainer un tel debat.

Pour info, sur les autres serveur, en tout cas le moria anglais, les items même au debut du serveur , se vendent ou se vendaient moins cher que sur moria, y'a qu'a voir les premier légendaire glock vendu sur underworld et sur moria.

Bref ceci étant posé, pour éviter toute polémique, si un modo pouvait lock ou éffacer ce sujet, ça serait bien, ça part en pilori, je ne vendrais pas cet item, en tout cas pas maintenant.
Merci à tous.

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28. 06. 2009, 21:26

salut! euh et en francais ca donne quoi qu on puisse participer ^^ et comprendre le suivi de cet item

(clin d oeil a mon ami belge qui ne comprend rien non plus :thumbsup: )

sur ce je sors :P

___________________________________________________________________________
hello! er and in French that gives what qu one can take part ^^ and understand the follow-up of this item

(covering joint D eye has my Belgian friend who does not understand anything either: thumbsup: )
Advevan [UT]RIP
Advevan[moria]
Aldiniae[UT2]RIP

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28. 06. 2009, 21:43

Stop talking about being polite, you always say I am impolite even if I say nothing wrong, and after that you try to prove how evil I am. Lets say I am the worst, I am a son of a devil and satan. The topic about me is closed.

I know vex's evaluation looks ironic but few people evaluate this item too high and they are serious. And they argue by showing some irreal and uneffective technics how to use this armor. And now I think your "massive friendly evaluation" is not gonna help in stone-transfer, because moderator will understand what happened here.
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

Ce message a été modifié 3 fois, dernière modification par "Vincent02" (28.06.2009, 21:59)


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28. 06. 2009, 21:53

vincent, on se connait Ig, tu sais que je suis reglo, et mis a part bathorix, qui est un ami irl à moi, les autres évaluateur je ne les connais pas, il me semble a ce jour, ne jamais avoir demandé une éval, là ça m'a fait rigoler de looter ça , j'ai voulu voir si oui ou non, ça vallait quelque chose.
J'ai pris en considération ton éval, et celle des autres, moi non plus je ne l'aurais pas évalué a 4k , je me disais aux alentour des 2000 ps.
Je suis d'accord avec toi quand tu dis qu'il n'y a pas vraiment de plus du fait qu'elle soit légendaire, sauf qu'on l'a met un peu plus tot que si c'était une cape de la vitesse non légendraire.
En revenche ce qui ne me plait pas c'est l'accusation de massive friendly evaluation, car ce n'est pas le cas, je ne connais ni sinerva, ni grimjow, ni jerem31450, donc pour moi ton accusation est fausse.

Je le répète encore, mais je ne vendrais pas cet item.
Pour moi le debat n'a pas a être clos, il n'y a pas de debat a avoir, c'est une section évaluation.
Sur ce bon jeu à tous, bonne soirée, et désolé de ne pas écrire en anglais, mais comme tu le sais vincent, j'écris vraiment trop mal en anglais ;)

Ce message a été modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par "rangsha" (28.06.2009, 21:54)


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28. 06. 2009, 22:11

No problem, I can understand few words in french, and with help of on-line translator I can understand most of what you write.
Its good if you weren't going to sell this item, because it looks like stone-transfer atttemp. I know situations like this from top clans in polish servers so I look carefully what happens here, and when I see evaluations and reasons similar to Bathorix's post I have to respond.
Moria FR: Vincent.
UT3 FR: Vincent
Hellsing Foundation Member on both servers.

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28. 06. 2009, 23:13

ok... I lock this topic... I will make some changes in this section. And now, this is the last time that I say it: Stop spam and stupid arguiing.


Please sinerva stop talking about being polite...


Please Vincent keep cool dude!




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